Posts by Simon Morley

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More bad press for the Organisation in the UK !

by Hairyhegoat in

i am sick of reading news stories like this .

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Simon Morley

I posed two questions once to the CO during his BOE bashing evening meeting during his visit when the "edict" came down about calling the branch before the police:

Question: If I saw my neighbour (non witness) sexually molesting a child what must I do? Answer: you go to to the police

Question: If I saw my neigbour (Witness) sexually molesting a child what must I do? Answer: Talk to another Elder, then talk to the branch, get instructions and then call the police.

This has always bothered me and I can tell you that of all the JC's I was on the only one that has given me lasting peace (the others I feel guilt for) is the one that dealt with a JW that (before becoming a JW) had sex with his genetic aunt (not a JW at the time, but became a JW later), produced a daughter (not a JW - don't blame her) whom he sexuallly assaulted when she was older. The daughter could not recall when it started, but she felt that it may have been before her teens. During the JC and his appeal period he tried to have sex with her again. First thing I did before calling the branch - called the police to report it and told the police that I was under clergy law to contact the branch first. You can imagine their reply. The creep was charged and got off as the daughter would not testify against him.

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2012 DC theme?

by obarac in

jw
friends

anyone know the theme of 2012 dc?.

Simon Morley

I always found that as soon as the DC theme came out R&F began connecting that to significant events that would likely happen that year such as 1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall ("king of the North") Theme that year: "Godly Devotion".

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2012 DC theme?

by obarac in

jw
friends

anyone know the theme of 2012 dc?.

Simon Morley

Come on its easy - just use one noun and one adjective from the last 32 years of themes...

"Living Close to Jehovah", "Doer's of Justice", "Kingdom Obedience" (my bet) "Teachers of Godly Peace" .....

I remember the hapless twit chariman for the day at the 1991 who welcomed all to the "Freedom for Lovers" District Convention!!"

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-29-2012 WT Study (TRAIN OTHERS)

by blondie in

jw
friends

barbara anderson http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

to do to qualify as a ministerial servant.. .

68:19) so our heavenly father can help a. brother to take on responsibility in the congregation.. a brother who is not serving as a. ministerial servant or an elder will also find it.

Simon Morley

JWGB: Ditto, one of Blondie's summaries was the very first thing I read when I lurked at this site for close to 6 months before leaving. I was simply stunned by the clarity of arguements made. I would love to see Blondie actually conduct a WT study - Blondie style of course.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-29-2012 WT Study (TRAIN OTHERS)

by blondie in

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friends

barbara anderson http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

to do to qualify as a ministerial servant.. .

68:19) so our heavenly father can help a. brother to take on responsibility in the congregation.. a brother who is not serving as a. ministerial servant or an elder will also find it.

Simon Morley

ZID: no problem my friend it is all yours to use as you wish...sorry for the late reponse

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Paradise= Watchtower 1926 says we will have Superman powers and fly!!

by Witness 007 in

look up in the sky!

it's a bird, it's a plane...no, it's a jehovahs witness!!.

golden age aug 26 192 p.751 "...you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in the kingdom, since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

Simon Morley

I am not sure that the Aug 26 1926 "new light" on on fingernail power has ever been updated or "uplighted". So it is still the prevailing understanding - so as JW they should be out their explaining this...:)

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My critical thoughts about Paul

by I Want to Believe in

so this is an area of thought i had before even before i fully took the apostate plunge.

i started noticing that almost everything about the congregation pointed back to paul.. "do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together.

" not jesus' words.

Simon Morley

Paul had much to say on how the 1st century christians were to act, but a lot of what he stated was not based on scripture but more on extant culture of his day. What is interesting is if you read the greek scriptures in chronological order - it is no wonder the likes of of Peter, John and Matthew needed to set the record straight and move what was transfered orally to written forme before they passed away. Putting the Gospels first completely changes the context of what follows. It explains why it took Paul 14 years to get to Jerulsalem - he did not go to see a governing body, congregations in Antioch were getting pretty upset and some matters needed to be set straight. I like Paul and did a remarkable job despite the culture he was in.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-29-2012 WT Study (TRAIN OTHERS)

by blondie in

jw
friends

barbara anderson http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

to do to qualify as a ministerial servant.. .

68:19) so our heavenly father can help a. brother to take on responsibility in the congregation.. a brother who is not serving as a. ministerial servant or an elder will also find it.

Simon Morley

Second claim: "They cultivate a warm, close relationship with their fellow believers by taking time to show personal interest in them..."

Hardly, I bumped into an elder from the same BOE that I was on before I left two years ago. After the "when are you coming back, you are missed, we this, we that..." routine and pious look of concern I reminded him that I told him personally that I was sick of the the gossip, slander and hyocrisy on the BOE and others and rampant amongst the CO/DO clan. No wonder these three things are endemic amongst the witnesses, the so called leadership smacks of duplicity. he just nodded and gave me one of those blank vacuous stares that witnesses are notorious for when I asked "have things improved?"

It is so sad that many of the well meaning elders (many of you are here now) who trully tried to be good shepherds ended up stepping away or leaving completely. I reminded him that he was one who was instrumental in my departure as I went out on a limb time after time, he was one of many at the other end trying to cut it off. I had to remind him that in 2009 I had a serious ulcer that resulted in being hospitalized, sleeping problems and ailments that were wearing me down - all because gossip, slander and hypocrisy were out of hand/control and not dealt with in the same way fornication and adultery were. Witnesses are notorious for talking about one another but rarely talk to one another when they have a problem.

"So how are you now? he replied, "Never better!" I responded and told him I put it down to good prayer habits, better bible reading and following such admonishment found in Proverbs that states "shrewd is the one that has seen the calamity and proceeds to conceal himself" I don't need that shit in my life and especially my family that bore the brunt of these ill mannered, unloving, hurtful people when I was not arround or my back was turned. Anyway, rant over....

Thanks Blondie you do an incredible job in being extremely objective on most subjective material found in the WT, but this one made my blood boil!!

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

Simon Morley

Lady Lee that is terrible and heartless. When I served as an elder there were a few who were suicidal my immediate thought was one of helping them - never did I think of encouraging any behaviour of friends and family that would tip them over the edge. Often, I would encourage them to seek professional help and that I would follow up to makew sure they did. Elders cannot deal with mental illness no different than one who had a serious physical illness. That does not mean that there were not a few heartless elders who saw suicide as a "sin". One only has to recall the events King David had post the loss of his son - if ever there was an account of one suicidal in the bible that would be it. How God dealt with that is an indication of how we mere humans should folow suit.

I recall In the two decades I was part of this cult I recall four suicides (I gave a funeral talk at one) compared to not one amongst my workmates, aquantances and work community for the same period.

I had chance to visit recently with my family physician who had retired (he was happy I was no longer a JW) and he commented in his years of family practice the highest incidence of depression and alcoholism was with his JW patients. Add to that the ones with imagined diseases and conditions. No wonder many resort to suicide as the only way out, how terribly sad and a shameful indictment on the leadership for perpetuating false reasoning. they have been instrumental in forcing a self inflicted postponment of hope.

How correct that Benjamin Franklin stated:

"I conceive that the great part of the miseries of mankind are brought upon them by false estimates they have made of the value of things"

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Sedge-moor JW Pedophile Dustin Gandley

by blondie in

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http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/9492203.paedophile_jailed_for_30_months/.

paedophile jailed for 30 months4:00pm friday 27th january 2012. a paedophile from sedge-moor has been jailed for 30 months for sexually abusing a young girl over a period of four years.

dustin gandley, 37, sexually assaulted the girl, who was aged under 13, a total of 11 times until she told her mother and he was reported to the police.

Simon Morley

So much for the "spiritual paradise" that was promised - this young girl is scarred for life. 30 months is a slap on the wrist.